Originally by: flapie 2

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Hmm good read tbh, not really much to worrie about.

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Originally by: Dr Djago

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CCP if this is real, then throw in the PLEX fore remap, you really have nothing to loose at this point really.

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Originally by: Raid'En

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Originally by: Iamien

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This is legitimate. If it weren't it would be closed by now as CCP would not allow disinformation to be spread and go viral.

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you forgot the time it is on the EU ; there's only GMs left at this time, and GMs have neither the knowledge, nor the power to decide to lock or not a thread this dangerous for the company.
the actions taken here have great importance, they need to wait for big heads to give them orders on what to do.

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Originally by: Mahnmut Orphu

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Before I get off my soapbox I'd like to add that I am a new EVE player, and I think this game is F***kin' awesome. It is the negative point of view that so many players are taking that disturbs me. I do not know the game's history as well as most players, but all I can say is that I severely hope that the reaction this forum has had to Incarna is an overreaction, and not an indication that CCP is jumping on the bandwagon with certain other game developers that produce sensationalist BS. Also...Captain's Quarters are sweet but leave much more to be desired obviously. Noble Exchange wouldn't suck if there were missions that offered AURUM as a reward instead of ISK. That way I could earn the shnazzy vanity items through some aspect of the game that involves content. (Admittedly, I could grind until I saved enough ISK to buy a PLEX to split. But yeah...those prices.)

TL;DR - Reading is for suckers and microtransactions are awesome!

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Originally by: Jerry Pepridge

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Its obviously fake.

the guy that runs that site is a Pink eye'd, neckbeard, journalism school dropout, that never leaves his basement.

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Originally by: Jerry Pepridge

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Originally by: Isil Rahsen

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Tears

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QQ more nerd, i got a long day of work ahead of me & i need to laugh at saps like you crying about **** that makes no difference to actual gameplay.

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Originally by: Jerry Pepridge

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Originally by: Isil Rahsen

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Who's crying ******? I don't give a **** what CCP do, only used my 4 hour reactivation to get in some lulz with idiots like you.

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Your crying.

teach me.

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Originally by: Liang Nuren

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Full unedited version from CCP

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Originally by: Ophelia Ursus

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Originally by: Hesperius

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Not to be a lynch mob pooper, but what in that document is really that nasty that its news worthy?

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How about this, from the section talking about microtransactions in Eve:

Quote:

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Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization: some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright.

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"Vanity only" my arse.

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Originally by: Ashlyn Shi'jun

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Its funny to watch people trying to sabotage eve with posts like this, i wonder how much they are paid by other companies for doing so.

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Originally by: Black Dranzer

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Originally by: Lord Fargo

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Can't see what the fuss is all about, get a real life job so you can pay for all of this, simply put, put up or shut up

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I've got a better idea

How about me and everybody else who shares my opinions take our money and stop giving it to CCP

How about that

How does that sound

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Originally by: BeanBagKing

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Originally by: Xervish Krin

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Wait, they BANNED Helicity? Confirmed as a genuine leak, then.

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Where are you seeing this?

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Originally by: Caladan Broood

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So how many of us will be banned for linking to the document and providing complete meta data Bring it on CCP, the more you try to silence us the more and more it shows your true colors.

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Originally by: Jerry Pepridge

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Quote:

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Their newsletter isn't actually all that secret, there are copies lying around the lobby of their Iceland office.

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QQ more ***s lmao.

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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa

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As much as it pains me to see this happen, I believe that the players are taking a very immature route of going about this. First of all, if you guys are all truly upset and ****ed off at CCP then quit. So many rude, mean and uncalled for things have been said here against CCP that if you really are going to back your words then you should stop paying them your subscription fees. Stop buying PLEXes and stop logging in. Only then will you send CCP a true message.

I personally am disheartened, but I understand that we only have one side of the story. Because CCP is unwilling to comment on this (and it will probably be the way this winds up,) speculation is at its peak and we can only speculate. We could stir ourselves into a typhoon of anger and it would result in a lot of broken hearts, angry players and developers and a game left in an even worse state than before all this chaos began. I just want to remind you guys that if you are truly going to berate CCP with your words on a forum, then do not let it be empty, for you will look like a fool when next month rolls around and you're still posting.

Just wanted to throw that out there. I'm in this for the long haul, because I want to see what happens. I believe CCP will try to make the best decisions that balance both player interests and company interests. We just have to watch and wait, patiently.

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Originally by: Vyktor Abyss

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Helicity banned apparently for linking this...

CCP appear to be on full damage control...

Whoever the "clever" marketing/PR guy was who thought it clever to use Gordan Ghecko's "Greed is Good!" will undoubtably be the first out the door, but definately not the last as this may just be the final nail in the coffin of Eve after Incarna.

I've been 'playing' Eve for the last year via PLEX anyway so if I get banned for this well shucks, I'll be in good company. Ciao.

Time to wake up and try X3. I hear its a fun spaceship game. o/

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Originally by: Ultan Rova

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TL;DR - There are too many long-term players in EVE. It's not healthy.

CCP has to do something or EVE is just going to run down like a watch someone forgot to wind up. The main problem - even beyond the unfinished game expansions and broken mechanics - is this: there are too many vets and too few noobs. Too many players are sitting on too much ISK because there's nothing out there for them to spend their billions of ISK on. Not enough ships are getting blowed up because the vets are shy about taking their titan/supercaps into harm's way.

Noobs hug Empire space because venturing into lowsec/nullsec is a death-warrant -- vets with years more experience permacamp gates, waiting in boredom for some hapless noob to wander through. So nullsec/lowsec turn into a boring dead-zone, and so the vets turn to Empire space themselves. And again, their higher skills and purchasing power depress the ability of new players to compete. EVE sometimes strikes me as a conveyor belt where the older players are forever far ahead of me -- even as I progress, they progress faster, having started far earlier. It's impossible to catch up.

One thing many MMO players forget about single-player RPG's is that single-player RPG's end. The character progression stops at some point. You level up to become almost Godlike, you slay the dragon (or whatever), and then...the game ends. But MMOs just go on, and on, and on. Developers have to find ever new ways to appeal to high-level players, long past the point where it really makes any sense to do so. It's comparatively easy to create challenging content for new players; it's vastly harder for longtime players who have leveled up nearly every skill there is to the maximum point. CCP has been trying to balance the game for a long time, but it's obvious that something is going to have to give -- if EVE is going to thrive, it's going to have to become friendlier to new players. And that means changing the game such that new players are not just cannon-fodder or griefing targets. It means adopting a more "fair play" attitude towards the game (even among CCP devs). It means placing more emphasis on the "social" and "missioning" aspects of the game rather than on large-fleet PVP.

I realize that a lot of vets hate the whole idea behind Incarna and micro-transactions and whatnot, but I think CCP sees the writing on the wall: new players are the lifeblood of an MMO. CCP doesn't host EVE as a hobby or a public service; they run it as a business venture that must turn a profit to survive. (You'd think that EVE players would intuitively understand this, but I guess not.)

I guess what I'm saying is: if you're a vet and you're feeling bored and frustrated and like the game isn't fun any more...maybe it's time to leave. Let the game end. You won!

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Originally by: General Xenophon

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Originally by: Hra Neuvosto

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>paying ISK for more saved fittings

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Yea that's like paying for extended bookmark space.... *someone in CCP perks up* "AHA! New Business strategy!"

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Originally by: Xa Fel

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Edited by: Xa Fel on 23/06/2011 04:56:27
It's from EVE News 24... How the **** are you people eating this bull**** up? Have any of you even read half the **** these guys write? It's downright Grade A FUD. Near every bit. Look at the way they word their articles and how you can highlight all the text in this amateur looking document.

This is Rivertini driving up his ad revenue on his laggy ****ing blog. For serious.

I'm pretty sure there are way more reputable places to leak this than his site, by the way. Why him? Bull****. That's why.

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Originally by: Mehrdad Kor-Azor

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Breaking news!!! CCP responds to playerbase outrage!!

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Originally by: Xa Fel

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Calm down there, Keyboard Warrior. Which CSM members had it? Which guys confirmed it? Please disclose. I'm not going to sort the Threadnaught to find out, personally. But you seem well-informed, so enlighten me. Why should I digest Rivertini's bull**** this time?

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Originally by: Xa Fel

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Awesome, another Threadnaught. It's a Threadnaught in a Threadnaught!

I've noticed Helicity is in pretty close contact with EVE News 24, sir. I've been glancing over his twitter feed. I'm considering him in on this little hoax. I can't take his word and I've never even *heard* of this guy. I just can't. I have seen zero solid proof of this being real and people are going ape ****.

Sure, you can go ahead and throw your account away. You totally could. i'm sure as hell not going to stop you, but it's a game. I see everyone losing their ****ing mind over it. Rather than waiting to see if this was a joke the staff played on one another or an edited document. (Photoshop is easy, bro.) I mean, that's not exactly tough...

So, let's try this again. Which CSM guys had it? Who confirmed it? Is it just rumors? Has CCP said anything, yet? In what way does this seem solid? I'm just trying to look at this logically, rather than going "OMFGRAGE" and closing my account...

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Originally by: Xa Fel

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So far I see no proof, just he said, she said. Little more.

Stop getting worked up over a ****ing game.

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Originally by: "Mynxee"

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Originally by: "Joe Appleby"

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I saw this pop up on rss via evenews24, glanced over it, went holy crap. It is one hell of an effort to fake it at this level. What I am wondering though is, how old is this? The guy at massively, could he give a publication date for this?

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The document is dated May 2011. I received a copy on 28 May 2011. The properties of my copy show the document created date as 20 May 2011 at 11:48 AM.

:)

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Originally by: "Mynxee"

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Originally by: "Aypse"

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Originally by: "Mynxee"

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Originally by: "Joe Appleby"

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I saw this pop up on rss via evenews24, glanced over it, went holy crap. It is one hell of an effort to fake it at this level. What I am wondering though is, how old is this? The guy at massively, could he give a publication date for this?

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The document is dated May 2011. I received a copy on 28 May 2011. The properties of my copy show the document created date as 20 May 2011 at 11:48 AM.

:)

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Did you receive it from an official source? Or a leak source?

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I'll just say I got it from a source who has provided extremely reliable and spot-on information in the past. But it's irrelevant now that the document has been released into the wild apparently via multiple channels. And incidentally, I shared it with no one, yet Helicity's linked "complete" document is a bit-for-bit identical copy to the one I was given.

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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

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Slackers, don't let this slip, ppl have to know

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Originally by: Jefferson H Clay

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Winning becomes a function of who has the most RL money, not who has the better tactics/stratergy/spies/whatever.

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Originally by: Mikaaro

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Originally by: Jefferson H Clay

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A lot of what's said I don't have a major problem with. It's the items of power bit... the ammunition, ships and one assumes modules appearing in this store.

A Hello Kitty Apoc is still just a reskinned Apoc, it looks different but has the exact same stats as any other non-T2, non-Navy Apoc. The 'Total Hell Death' Apoc and it's associated guns & crystals in that store won't. It will be superior to the standard versions a player can get in game, a fair assumption to make where MTing for "items of power" is concerned.

That means I'm at a disadvantage because my, theoretical max SP for flying an Apoc can't push the tank or damage as hard as someone who has both the same amount of SP AND disposable income to burn on such.

Winning becomes a function of who has the most RL money, not who has the better tactics/stratergy/spies/whatever.

And that I can not abide. Whatever appears in that store I should have the ability, even with silly amounts of grind & random drops, to get without using my CC.

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You can already buy a 'Total Hell Death' apoc with real money. Just buy timecodes, convert them to isk and get all officer fitted apoc. While you're at it you can buy a dozen titans and a hundred or so supercarriers for your alliance. Don't forget to buy a supercap capable char for every member also. Or you could just do it with silly amounts of grind & random drops.

Am I missing something here?

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Well this is disappointing. Just as I was starting to really enjoy EVE again, this happens.

I can't be bothered raging again, I don't have the energy or :care: left after last time. If that prize idiot Soundwaves ideas get implemented, it's the end.

Pity, really. EVE could have been good.

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Originally by: Mikaaro

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Now that we're getting something other than emorage, we can actually start to discuss.

So this would basically crash EVEs economy model. Now think about that for a second. You guys actually think CCP would do this? Really? You think they're that stupid?

For me this just proves that this is a very epic troll.

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Originally by: Jonny Utrigas

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Ok, some people apparently seem to believe that all items on the market appear out of thin air.
1) all ships are built by industrial characters
2) all mods that you cannot get a blueprint for come from fighting NPCs
3) all faction/deadspace/officer gear comes from mission/exploration/complex runners
4) while AURUM comes from PLEXes, the AURUM does not have to directly involve the market in any way, and the items that come from the NEX DO in fact, come from thin air.

Even though a PLEX can be sold for ISK, the original ISK, and all items subsequently bought with that ISK came from players actively playing. THIS is why it has always been said that PLEX is different than MT.

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Originally by: Shoot2kilI

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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus

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Originally by: Shoot2kilI

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Another six accounts reporting in for bio-mass / unsubbing when/if this get's implemented.

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Forget this "when/if" stuff.

It's done. CCP *ARE* completely, 100%, ****ed. It's over.

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What are you, some apostle of ***gotry? It's not a done thing until it's confirmed, all you buttmad kids hanging out in the same thread crying about some potentially-self-invented-internet-spaceships-apocalypse need to get a bit of a grip on this thing you are so vehemently angry against, real money, and go spend it out there on something aside from the super-serious space ships that have at least 50% of the people in this thread e-raging like I'm playing counter-strike again. Seriously. The last thing CCP wants to do is kill their game. They enjoy the VERY LARGE amounts of money that drivel into it by means of subscription, PLEX, events, merchandise, etc. If you guys honestly think that they will look at this thread and/or take a massive hit to their subscription base and be OK with it, just to please a small, totally unrepresented, FIGURATIVE minority, you have your head shoved so far up the Doomsayer's ass to be much use to anyone.

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Originally by: Shoot2kilI

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Originally by: Isil Rahsen

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Originally by: Shoot2kilI

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What are you, some apostle of ***gotry? It's not a done thing until it's confirmed, all you buttmad kids hanging out in the same thread crying about some potentially-self-invented-internet-spaceships-apocalypse need to get a bit of a grip on this thing you are so vehemently angry against, real money, and go spend it out there on something aside from the super-serious space ships that have at least 50% of the people in this thread e-raging like I'm playing counter-strike again. Seriously. The last thing CCP wants to do is kill their game. They enjoy the VERY LARGE amounts of money that drivel into it by means of subscription, PLEX, events, merchandise, etc. If you guys honestly think that they will look at this thread and/or take a massive hit to their subscription base and be OK with it, just to please a small, totally unrepresented, FIGURATIVE minority, you have your head shoved so far up the Doomsayer's ass to be much use to anyone.

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HEH, like them enjoying the money they get now precludes them from making a cash grab due to investor pressure or any other reason? I think you're the one with your head shoved up your ass. Is it confirmed? No. Is it likely? Possibly. I do know it's better to vehemently express just how much we don't want it in the game rather than just saying "**** it, who knows if it'll happen" like you?

Either way I'm not resubbing for any reason (even if the cash for items of power is bull****) until the space game gets fixed/balanced.

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Cool story bro. While you're unsubbed and :mad: you can enjoy copious amounts of not posting on this forum to tell us just how mad you are.

I also said "If this happens (RM) I will biomass/unsub all 6 of my accounts". So yeah, I'm pretty much the definition of apathy.

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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

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sitting it out, looking away, pretending it doesn't happen.

the usual stuff

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Originally by: Jonny Utrigas

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So, it should be about 8AM now, anyone care to start making bets on whether this threadnaught will get a response, lock, or both?

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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

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Originally by: Mikaaro

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And if the ships are as crazily overpriced as the monocle they will end up being in effect vanity items as they will have no meaningfull use in the game (Good luck undocking that guardian-vexor without being ganked)

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But as they want to sell it, they will make it so you can't get ganked, at least in highsec, anymore. See, once the priority is set (MT), the path is layed out, and they would be fools not to do it (business is business)

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Originally by: Tippia

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Communication a low-scorer? Who'd'a thunk it?

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Originally by: MrSteack

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Originally by: Shoot2kilI

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FFS steak go to sleep man.

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NO I MUST WATCH THIS

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